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P1. I'm giving you a RED CARD. The comment about the Italians and their actions during the world war makes me think you have spent way too long in the Sun. WTF has the 23 men on the Italian soccer squad got to do with the Italy's actions during World War 2? One has to hope that your comments are a reflection of your own distorted xenophobia and not a true reflection of the Australian attitude to foriegners.
Originally posted by Petroltorque P1. I'm giving you a RED CARD. The comment about the Italians and their actions during the world war makes me think you have spent way too long in the Sun. WTF has the 23 men on the Italian soccer squad got to do with the Italy's actions during World War 2? One has to hope that your comments are a reflection of your own distorted xenophobia and not a true reflection of the Australian attitude to foriegners.
bite me.
I guess you didn't bother to notice the 'winking' emoticon?
Congratulations to the Azzuri, I remember the game 24 years ago (though barely!) and they have done it again, maybe Baggio will forgive himself for that missed penalty so many years ago...
Too bad to see Zidane leave the game in that way, he is truly a masterful player.
BTW, it was a penalty, get over it...
Petrol, I think we are all over it, they won the game and now the cup, good on them. But with absolute certainty, that was A DIVE! maybe you need to 'get over it'
No-one is clean on this anymore, Roo. I would venture to suggest some Aussies have done it in the past. I condemn it all, big girls. Mind you, it was the Wops who started it.
I agree, almost all the fowards do it (inc. Aussie players past and present, though I like to think they do it less as we hate that sort of thing, even if it's our side!). I played as a midfielder and defender for 15 years and I saw it all the time. Togther with the shirt pulling it turns the beautiful game a little ugly. Until FIFA find ways of punishing that behaviour (even after the fact) it will continue.
If you told me video referees for penalties would be introduced 10 years ago I would have said you were crazy, but now I'm not so sure... I think they are going to trial it one day soon, too bad if it comes to that.
It was written in the stars! Even when France was bossing the game in the second half it was only a matter of time before the message was sent to the French side that it was time to implode. As for Zidane, if ever there was a case of Criminal assault on a football field it was there. The ferocity of the head but was so great that Matterazi was literally thrown into the air. One could even argue the case in a civil law as Zidane's actions were akin to both negligence and trespass. And to anyone who thinks that it was only a head but: There is a medical condition known as commodio cordis. Its death from cardiac arrest following a blow to the chest. It occurs in young male athletes.
i admit there may been some insulting going on between the two players prior to "Zidane's show" however a great player such as Zidane should never had reacted like that. I can't really understand how Zidane still won best player of tournament !!!!!!!
ps Aussies friends, I didn't want to tell you before... in such a situation (Grosso' "diving" you say... the austraian player did touch him) a ref gives a penalty several times. Yesterday France got a penalty and Materazzi almost didn't touch their player. That's football. Against Azzurri Australia played for one whole half 11 vs 10 (thanks to a red card that didn't exist, absolutely invented by the ref) and they were vanishing in spite of that. I guess your team had a very good tournment and you should be glad anyway. You'll beat us in the next world cup. Playing rugby;)
Originally posted by salvo ps Aussies friends, I didn't want to tell you before... in such a situation (Grosso' "diving" you say... the austraian player did touch him) a ref gives a penalty several times.
That isn't the rule Salvo. Football is a contactsport. You are allowed to touch each other. It's about whether the defender committed a foul. In my opinion he didn't. The 'smart' Italian let himself fall on the defender. There was no way the defender could have avoided 'touching' the Italian. As Ovidius said : "Exitus acta probat"
sure, but he damaged the italian's action. If that thing happens in any other part of the field, it's foul, always. But what I mean is not "that was clearly a penaly", I'm just saying that that was one of those border line situations. Again, in the final match France had a penalty and Materazzi almost didn't touch the frenchman. It's football, those things happen. "Diving" for those that are used to football matches, is when you let yourself fall but none touched you, and that unfortunately happens severel times. But that was not the case.
We should really put this one to bed. Under FIFA rules a player can only be booked for simulation/ diving if there is no contact. The Australian defender made contact with Grosso, thus putting him and his team at the Mercy of the referee's interpretation. Its the contact and not the degree of contact that makes it a foul. Who would argue that Thierry Henri was not capable of remaining on his feet when tackelled by Cavallo in that semi-final. It did not matter, he went down ergo - penalty. The real crime was committed by the Aussie defender. What was he thinking making contact at that stage of the match when Grosso was heading down the channel and not towards goal!!!
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WTF has the 23 men on the Italian soccer squad got to do with the Italy's actions during World War 2?
One has to hope that your comments are a reflection of your own distorted xenophobia and not a true reflection of the Australian attitude to foriegners.
I guess you didn't bother to notice the 'winking' emoticon?
I think I will make the effort to watch the game. It will be great to see the ity's open a can of whoop ass on the Nation of Shopkeepers.
That is if a 1 - 0 score is a can of whoop ass.
If Italy wins, I expect to hear all kinds of hard-luck stories about how Australia 'could' have won the cup had it not been for the Refs...
BTW, it was a penalty, get over it...
what on earth was Zidane thinking, I can't understand something like this...
"I'm sick and tired of you telling me to go screw my father."
Although, we will never know for sure.
Too bad to see Zidane leave the game in that way, he is truly a masterful player.
Petrol, I think we are all over it, they won the game and now the cup, good on them. But with absolute certainty, that was A DIVE! maybe you need to 'get over it'
[Edited on 10-7-06 by TasM]
Love to hear Zidane's side of the story.
PS note to anyone who plans to represent England; practising penalties pays off, eventually.
[Edited on 10-7-06 by viges]
No-one is clean on this anymore, Roo. I would venture to suggest some Aussies have done it in the past. I condemn it all, big girls. Mind you, it was the Wops who started it.
If you told me video referees for penalties would be introduced 10 years ago I would have said you were crazy, but now I'm not so sure... I think they are going to trial it one day soon, too bad if it comes to that.
As for Zidane, if ever there was a case of Criminal assault on a football field it was there. The ferocity of the head but was so great that Matterazi was literally thrown into the air. One could even argue the case in a civil law as Zidane's actions were akin to both negligence and trespass. And to anyone who thinks that it was only a head but: There is a medical condition known as commodio cordis. Its death from cardiac arrest following a blow to the chest. It occurs in young male athletes.
CAMPIONI DEL MONDO
Grazie Azzurri. Grazie.
Superb Cannavaro, excellent again Grosso (he plays for Palermo, my town's team), bad match yesterday, but the Fate was in debt with us.
Aussies friends, I didn't want to tell you before... in such a situation (Grosso' "diving" you say... the austraian player did touch him) a ref gives a penalty several times. Yesterday France got a penalty and Materazzi almost didn't touch their player. That's football. Against Azzurri Australia played for one whole half 11 vs 10 (thanks to a red card that didn't exist, absolutely invented by the ref) and they were vanishing in spite of that.
I guess your team had a very good tournment and you should be glad anyway.
You'll beat us in the next world cup.
Playing rugby;)
As Ovidius said : "Exitus acta probat"
"Diving" for those that are used to football matches, is when you let yourself fall but none touched you, and that unfortunately happens severel times. But that was not the case.
It was a Dive, plain and simple don't kid yourselves. You won the cup, but we won't forget how you did it. Remember both the good and the bad.
The real crime was committed by the Aussie defender. What was he thinking making contact at that stage of the match when Grosso was heading down the channel and not towards goal!!!