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2008 FORZAMINARDI.COM CHALLENGE - ROUND 13 - BEL (5-7 SEP 2008)
2008 FORZAMINARDI CHALLENGE: RULES:
1.0 Predict the following exactly and gain points each round:
a. Pole getter - 2 point (pole getter is defined as the one who is on pole
when the race is started)
b. Winner of GP - 4 points
c. Second in GP - 3 points
d. Third in GP - 2 points
e. Fourth in GP - 1 point
f. 1st car out after the race has started under the green lights whether
through DNF or DNS (through stalling for eg.) or through DQ (by black flag
for eg.) - 1 point (point given even if DQ is appealed)
g. Name the ex-minardi driver who finishes in the highest
position in the race amongst all ex-minardi drivers - 2 points
All predictions above must be EXACTLY correct. Should any driver pull out
before the race weekend, his replacement is not automatically substituted in
the bets...the bettors MUST exercise the edit right as provided in clause 6
two days before race day (e.g. if race day is on Sunday, final edit right is
day-stamp of post Friday).
2.0 Prize for the winner with most points at end of season:
a. the glory of being the season's Forzaminardi.com champion...plus whatever additional prize R-J
or the others may want to throw in. :-)
3.0 The organiser is manlio27.
4.0 The qualifying and race results first published by formula1.com will be
used to judge the bets placed. No appeal to organiser's decision which is
final.
5.0 If the organiser cannot make a decision, he will consult R-J and/or
Minardi4eva and/or FactyCrab who shall act as referees.
6.0. All bets must be submitted in the above 1.0 a to g order and must be
submitted before the first quali session start. Any bets submitted after the
first quali starts will be invalid. All bets MUST be in by before the first
quali but no editing of any bets placed can be done after the end of friday
practices (or in the case of Monaco after Thursday's practices). This is
because when a post is edited, there is no time stated when such edits have
been done. it just says which date the edit was done.
7.0 DQ means disqualification during the race. so any disqualification
resulting from not starting the race does not fall under this description of
DQ.
8.0 Any additional rules can be added to aid clarity but not to change the
bets format and the points as and when deemed neccessary.
9.0 The referees of this 2008 ForzaMinardi Challenge are FactyCrab, manlio27,
Forzaminardi and Minardi4eva (if Forza, Facty and 4Eva agree). A majority decision
from these 4 is required to settle any dispute. if the dispute concerns the
referee's bet, then the other 3 referee must adjudicate and arrive at a majority
decision.
2008 Results After Rd. 12 EUR
Pos/Pos Before/Name/After Rd. 11/Rd. 12/After Rd. 12
1. 1. Minardi4eva 36 2 38
1. 2. Stan 34 4 38
3. 3. Manlio27 31 2 33
3. 5. Factycrab 30 3 33
5. 3. SuperRoo 31 0 31
6. 7. JumpeySpyder 27 2 29
7. 6. Telstar 28 0 28
8. 7. Minardifan2002 27 0 27
9. 9. Steamdrivenhammer 23 0 23
10. 10. forzaminardi 17 0 17
11. 11. Neil_s 14 2 16
12. 12. PistonBroke 6 2 8
[Edited on 27-8-08 by FactyCrab]
Comments
1st Massa
2nd Kimi
3rd Lewis
4th Kubica
1st Out Sutil
best ex Minardi Alonso
1st Kimi
2nd Lewis
3rd Massa
4th Kubica
1st Out Coulthard
best ex Minardi Alonso
1st: Kimi
2nd: Clewlis
3rd: Massa
4th: Kovy
1st out: Rosberg
Best ex Minardi: Trulli
1st: Massa
2nd: Kimi
3rd: Heikki
4th: kubica
1st out: Hamilton
Best ex Minardi: Trulli
1st: Massa
2nd: Kimi
3rd: Hamiton
4th: Alonso
1st out: Bourdais
Best ex Minardi: Alonso
Pole Position: Massa
1st: Massa
2nd: Kimi
3rd: Hamiton
4th: Alonso
1st out: Bourdais
Best ex Minardi: Alonso
1 Kimi
2 Massa
3 Hamilton
4 Kubica
out Boudais
Best Trulli
1st: Massa
2nd: Lewis
3rd: Kubica
4th: Kimi
1st out: DC
Best Ex Minardi: Webber
1st - Massa
2nd - Hammy
3rd - Kovvy
4th - Alonso
1st DNF - DC
Best ex Minardi - Trulli
1ST: Hamilton
2ND: Massa
3RD: Heidfeld
4TH: Raikkonen
DNF: Barrichello
EXM: Alonso
1st - L. Hamilton
2nd - F.Massa
3rd - H. Kovalainen
4th - F. Alonso
1st DNF - A. Sutil
Ex Minardi - M. Webber
1st: Massa
2nd: Lewis
3rd: Kubica
4th: Kimi
1st out: DC
Best Ex Minardi: Webber
;)
Pos/Pos Before/Name/After Rd. 12/Rd. 13/After Rd. 13
1. 1. Stan 38 11 49
2. 1. Minardi4eva 38 3 41
3. 6. JumpeySpyder 29 8 37
4. 3. Factycrab 33 3 36
5. 5. SuperRoo 31 3 34
6. 3. Manlio27 33 0 33
7. 7. Telstar 28 4 32
8. 8. Minardifan2002 27 0 27
9. 9. Steamdrivenhammer 23 0 23
10. 10. forzaminardi 17 3 20
11. 11. Neil_s 16 2 18
12. 12. PistonBroke 8 0 8
awesome, stan!
good on yer too, jumpey!
looks like kimi's gonna go rallying next year surely...
Shit, in the last 2 laps I went from 9 to 0 points! I would be on top again, now I'm out just like Kimi!
Thrilling race, though, and Spa fantastic as usual, we saw overtakings, like in the dear old times!
Now Ferrari will have to impose a choice on Kimi, and go for Felipe! It's true Kimi came back from -16 to +1 in the last two races last year, but these things do not happen often........Kimi was rally dominator in Spa, it's his track, shame rain came in the last 5 minutes and he lost his mind (he had even recouped the leadership after the incident between Clewlis and Nico!!!!). See what happens next week in Monza, where Clewlis will have to go with the same engine, while both Felipe and Kimi will be on brand new power.
Most of my points down the drain. Damn Ferrari International Assistance.
[Edited on 7-9-08 by Stan]
I do know that Lewis lifted his foot of the pedal to let Raikkonen past. And then he overtook him again. I thought the Stewarts allowed for such a maneuver so drivers could avoid punishment. Effectively making this an exception to the rule.
But apparently they can decide to ignore their own exceptions. Causing confusion and lowering the credibility of their sport. Bottom line, if you create a "rule" follow it. Can anyone tell where the limits to this are?
[Edited on 7-9-08 by Stan]
Don't forget this is Hamilton who overtook the safety car in gp2.
[Edited on 7-9-08 by Minardifan2002]
It's like a football game during which the referee promises you he won't give you a yellow card if you apologize to another player. And then after the game he gives you a red one because he didn't like the way you did it.
Pole: Hamilton
Race 1st: Hamilton
Race 2nd: Massa
Race 3rd: Heidfeld
Race 4th: Alonso
Best ex-Minardi: Alonso
First DNF: Piquet
ForzaMinardi Competition results:
2008 Results After Rd. 13 BEL
Pos/Pos Before/Name/After Rd. 12/Rd. 13/After Rd. 13
1. 1. Stan 38 11 49
2. 1. Minardi4eva 38 3 41
3. 6. JumpeySpyder 29 8 37
4. 3. Factycrab 33 3 36
5. 5. SuperRoo 31 3 34
6. 3. Manlio27 33 0 33
7. 7. Telstar 28 4 32
8. 8. Minardifan2002 27 0 27
9. 9. Steamdrivenhammer 23 0 23
10. 10. forzaminardi 17 3 20
11. 11. Neil_s 16 2 18
12. 12. PistonBroke 8 0 8
(B) Bel Results after FIA's intervention:
Pole: Hamilton
Race 1st: Massa
Race 2nd: Heidfeld
Race 3rd: Hamilton
Race 4th: Alonso
Best ex-Minardi: Alonso
First DNF: Piquet
ForzaMinardi Competition results:
2008 Results After Rd. 13 BEL
Pos/Pos Before/Name/After Rd. 12/Rd. 13/After Rd. 13
1. 1. Minardi4eva 38 7 45
2. 3. Factycrab 33 9 42
3. 1. Stan 38 2 40
4. 3. Manlio27 33 0 33
4. 5. SuperRoo 31 2 33
6. 7. Telstar 28 4 32
7. 8. Minardifan2002 27 4 31
8. 6. JumpeySpyder 29 1 30
9. 9. Steamdrivenhammer 23 4 27
10. 10. forzaminardi 17 9 26
11. 11. Neil_s 16 8 24
12. 12. PistonBroke 8 4 12
the above publication is just for the fun of it...as according to rule 4.0 the results to be used is what F1.com FIRST publishes.
But if (B) above is used, there are substantial changes, not least i would be 2 points ahead of stan instead of 13 points behind him.
:-(
however as forzaminardi has asked for it, manlio needs to make a decision as a neutral referee (since either way does not affect him) to decide whether (A) above is applied or (B) above is applied.
For Monza my predictions are as follws:
Pole: Massa
1st: Massa
2nd: Kimi
3rd: Kubica
4th: Alonso
Best ex Minardi: Alonso
1st out: Hamilton
I prefer natural sound now. A whole weekend of cars with no commentry.
[Edited on 9-9-08 by Stan]
[Edited on 9-9-08 by Stan]
Anyway, as a lawyer, I try to make an impartial interpretation of the rule, and my choice can only be B.
This is because, even though the rule 4.0 speaks about the results "first published on formula1.com", this cannot mean that whatever results (even totally wrong by a simple mistake) can be considered only because published "first". Take the example of the Brazilian GP 2003, where Raikkonen won when the race was interrupted, but it was then cleared that Fisichella was already leading two laps before the stop and the win was awarded to him: in case of mistake, either by the stewards or by F1.com, we have anyway to consider the final omologated result. And I do not see why the same should not occur in case of disqualification.
The rule will be corrected for next year, but even now (despite the letter of rule 4.0) I prefer to apply such interpretation, as it seems to me more correct, otherwise our table would be somehow "false".
I would have taken the same decision even if it had been more convenient for me to choose option A, I hope none of you to think that I wanted to take advantage of my position as "organizer" to gain 4 points over the leader.
And, Stan, I'm really sorry as you were f...ing unlucky this time!
Of course, should McLaren's appeal win, the original result will be reinstated.
[Edited on 9-9-08 by manlio27]
Pole: Massa
1st: Massa
2nd: Hamilton
3rd: Kubica
4th: Heikki
1st out: Vettel
Best ex MInardi: Alonso.
Please note my above predictions are subject to change by McLaren depending on whether they take offence at me following the rules or indeed they just happen not to like the font used.:)
1st: Massa
2nd: Hamilton
3rd: Kubica
4th: Heikki
1st out: Coulthardt
Best ex MInardi: Alonso.
I think Kimi will be told to take a back
seat for the rest of the year